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Every denomination needs one of these...

And one more post on torture...

Wednesday, July 09, 2008

Love him or hate him, Christopher Hitchens tackles the issue of torture head on in the August issue of Vanity Fair by subjecting himself to waterboarding. The video is pretty dramatic but worth watching if you, like me, took the idea of waterboarding too lightly. From the article:
You may have read by now the official lie about this treatment, which is that it “simulates” the feeling of drowning. This is not the case. You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning—or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure. The “board” is the instrument, not the method. You are not being boarded. You are being watered. This was very rapidly brought home to me when, on top of the hood, which still admitted a few flashes of random and worrying strobe light to my vision, three layers of enveloping towel were added. In this pregnant darkness, head downward, I waited for a while until I abruptly felt a slow cascade of water going up my nose. Determined to resist if only for the honor of my navy ancestors who had so often been in peril on the sea, I held my breath for a while and then had to exhale and—as you might expect—inhale in turn. The inhalation brought the damp cloths tight against my nostrils, as if a huge, wet paw had been suddenly and annihilatingly clamped over my face. Unable to determine whether I was breathing in or out, and flooded more with sheer panic than with mere water, I triggered the pre-arranged signal and felt the unbelievable relief of being pulled upright and having the soaking and stifling layers pulled off me. I find I don’t want to tell you how little time I lasted.
(Gulp) John Thomas was right.
"To call for an end to torture is not to be naïve about the very real threats we face," Thomas told reporters. "It is, however, to attest to the truth that no threat is so great as to justify our surrendering the most central values of what it means to be a Christian."
posted by UCCtruths, Wednesday, July 09, 2008


Sometimes it takes violence or torture to make the blind see;

While on the road to Damascus (c. A.D. 36) to annihilate the Christian community there, Saul said he was blinded by a brilliant light and heard the voice of Christ saying, "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?...And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid, but they heard not the voice...."[1] Elsewhere (see Resurrection appearances of Jesus) Paul claims to have seen Christ, and it is on this basis that he grounds his claim to be recognised as an Apostle: "Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?"[2]. Saul of Tarsus would journey into Damascus, where he was cured and attended by Ananias, being baptized into Christianity. He later took the name Paul and became one of the chief founding voices of Early Christianity.

Please tell me the liberal translation of this passage that makes everyone feel good?
commented by Blogger Paul Jamieson, 10:05 AM  
commented by Blogger David, 2:26 PM  
As someone who is often quite critcal of this blog:

Thank you for this.
commented by Blogger MML, 8:48 PM  
Thank you Matt.
commented by Blogger UCCtruths, 3:31 AM  
Found elsewhere in regard to the Hitchens piece:

"Torture is any experience so horrible that no-one would consider trying it out simply for the purpose of writing a Vanity Fair article about what it’s like."
commented by Blogger UCC Member, 8:17 AM  

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