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AMAZING! Yes, the UCC has a problem, a very big problem.

Should we guess on what the UCC response will be?

I wish we had a UCC President that reflected the wisdom of our own constitution and motto of unity in Christ.

My guess is that Thomas will portray Obama's speech as "saying the same thing" as he did in his own speech.
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Kind of like when the Presbyterians reversed their Israel boycott and Thomas said (in effect) that the UCC and the Presby's are side-by-side in their views.
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It's a fence painters nightmare.

So, I'm a UCC guy and got creamed by the newsbusters bloggers when I tried for "context"... My reaction to the speech is that it was too little too late. I especially was insulted to have him equate the threat of violence his grandmother felt from black men as somehow related to Rev Wrights rhetoric - the "we all do bad things" defense. Did he make a veiled threat when he made the comment about things continuing unless we dropped the subject - what was that about?

This was not a great speech. It was political speech aimed at ducking the heat. Several inherent problems remain for candidate Obama: if he is unable to moderate the hate-filled hallucinations of his own minister, then how shall he presume to moderate and mobilze a divided nation? Moreover, he has now conceded that he was both "in the pews" and "not aware" of his pastor's absurd positions. If candidate Obama cannot recollect what he hears when he is in worship, what will his ears miss in crucial international negotiations?

He's hugging the middle of the political road... and we all know the two things in the middle of the road...yellow paint and roadkill.

The UCC must be very proud.

shame on the UCC for defending this guy by talking about what a wonderful 'beacon of light' this church is.

"Did we not do good works? Feed the poor? Speak out for the lost"

and Jesus reply will be...
"Depart from me, for I never knew you."

Shame shame shame

I thought it was a lousy speech. Delivery good - content lousy. If, as Obama says, he was not aware of the hate filled sermons then he is too stupid to be president of a country. Give me a break. Twenty years, and he didn't know? Now it is clear why his wife said "For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country". She was listening to Wright's sermons. And what was that all about, when Wright was ranting about how a black man will never be elected president? Seems clear that if Obama is not elected, part of that may be on Wright's shoulders.

Something else that seems clear, why he doesn't wear a flag lapel pin, or put his hand on his heart while the rest of the congress is saying the pledge of allegiance. No American flag in his church, either.

Obama didn't equate his grandmother's fear with Rev. Wright's rhetoric. He compared his relationship with each person, stating that he disagrees with Wright's inflammatory remarks the same way he disagreed with his grandmother's use of racial slurs, but still loves them both for how they've blessed his life.

To that end, he fully admitted that he's aware of Wright's more controversial rhetoric. He also acknowledged whites' suspicion and fear. And then he had the audacity to suggest that we actually deal with it instead of distract ourselves during each election cycle with irrelevant issues. That's what he said we should drop - the irrelevant stuff - to keep it from continuing.

Furthermore, it seems that Obama critics are trying to paint him as The Angry Black Candidate solely by bringing up his pastor's beliefs. When has Obama himself led people to believe that he's an Angry Black Candidate? What has Obama himself said or done to deserve that label? (By the way, there's a Newsmax article claiming that he was in worship on July 22 nodding along with Wright's "God Damn America" rhetoric which has been proven to be false, so when you answer, come up with something else.)

Every time Obama put's an offering in that plate on Sunday he contributes to the hate mongering that comes out of Trinity. People say he CAN'T be guilty by association. He IS guilty by association and further. He can't simply say that he doesn't agree with what JW says...he must put his money where his mouth is. For him to say he has not heard many of those statements is an out and out lie. I've spoken to people who have visited there on numerous Sunday's and almost every time the preacher (sometimes not JW) was ranting about whites harming the black community or about how evil the rebublican administration is.

As an AA woman I'm quite confused why it is hate mongering to take about the impact of the KKK in America but the KKK still exist in America. Today in cities across this country the KKK can get a permit to march and spew hate, but if a person says how that affects them then they are the hateful one. I'm confused how in a country that existing before Lincoln's Gettisburgh address that "freed" the slaves their were 16 presidents that presided over slavery, that puts the faces of these men on our currency, we celebrate them in parades, and in books as heros of America. When do we start to tear down monuments in this country of people that oppressed my ancestors that were just as American yours. It is incredulous to me that a pastor that says, sometimes as an AA it is difficult to live in a country that we too helped build is the person to fear. Hate is what has divided this country, I found my healing sitting in the pews of black churches that spoke to my concerns, my fears, my challenges in a way that only those churches can do.

One more leap...
From JW's rhetoric to the dismissing of the broad, compassionate, community-based ministries of Trinity and the influence of a church on a parishioner rather than the occasional outbursts of his pastor.
hop, skip and awaaaaaaaay!

The fact that Obama chooses to stay and subject his family to this liberal, afro-centric cult enviroment speaks louder than any speech he'll ever give.

afro-centric not afro-elitist. get over your colonial self and realize that the hispanic, black, asian, and native experiences in the country is in no way shape or form equivicalble to the white experience.

it's called priviledge. look it up.